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blast off on another episode of hero

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paranormal podcast that's right my name

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is ryan the original

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outlaw of the airwaves bringing you a

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episode of hero paranormal podcast

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broadcasting from the base at la madre

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mountain just south of area 51

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bringing you a hum dinger of an episode

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tonight

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epic to say the least if you haven't

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heard of ron johnson well then you're

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probably not from utah

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on today's episode we have the amazing

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researcher

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photographer landscape photographer very

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talented individual

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ron johnson some of you may know ron

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from grant cameron's podcast series

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ron has had some of the most interesting

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and insightful

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experiences when it comes to the

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paranormal

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ron has experiences he remembers as a

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child

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that absolutely blew my mind he has been

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in most of the squatchy areas of utah

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what's going on

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ron has investigated some of the most

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remote places of the entire state in

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fact he

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is well based in

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area very close to some of the most

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remote places in the entire state

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and he's very knowledgeable of these

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ron and i had a mutual friend

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named daryl smith who

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was well quite quite the investigator

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and he was a high strangeness

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investigator who really made his mark on

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the utah bigfoot scene amongst other

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and we will discuss daryl and some of

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the mutual experiences we had with daryl

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as well

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ron has also had some of the most

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remarkable experiences with a particular

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entity who even gave him an

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well uncanny information about

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the flying of very mysterious craft

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we are going to get into ufos piloting

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ufos

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entities who are in the craft bigfoot

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and much more the best part about the

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whole thing is

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ron is someone who is just one of the

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nicest guys around i consider him a

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friend and i can't wait to get into all

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the good stuff

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if you haven't been over to the good

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stuff at heroparanormal.com check it out

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simple website with an archive you can

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go there and

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you can listen to it and uh well

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without further ado let's get to ron

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experiencer extraordinaire researcher

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who's been

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to the most remote places of the state

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looking for the most

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ron johnson welcome to the hero

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paranormal podcast my friend

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oh good how are you i'm doing

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pretty good i i had an okay thanksgiving

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how was yours

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oh it was fantastic oh good

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great i'm still uh

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bloated from it right that's how i

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am that's exactly how i am so you've

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posting a lot of really cool shots of uh

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have you heard anything new on the

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uh with with with bigfoot stuff

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uh not really not around here it's

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time to turn quiet

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still looking still going out and doing

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yeah that's all it takes that's all it

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takes and i wanted to talk to you

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while i have you for a bit um you have

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i wanted you to kind of if you can think

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back i know it's difficult too because

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you've had so many bigfoot excursions

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well the ones uh the ones that i really

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uh cherish are the ones when uh i would

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yep we would go to uh

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i have never heard this before

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truck i had a dodge ram four-door crew

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including what was in the glove box

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around the truck everything in the back

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the coolers that had our food and our

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lunches in it

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everything was out of the cooler and

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heard what in the heck that reminds me

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my gosh so like in order of

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however you put it in is kind of how it

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that is very inquisitive do you what

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i i i still think and i told

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daryl that i believe it has something to

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i have no idea why

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but what's weird is i had all my

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camera equipment in the back seat

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my camera cases my head my floor

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the thermal imaging camera all that

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coming from the hoyt peak

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area there ron did you guys ever

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get any responses to uh bigfoot calls or

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we were in this draw where we found them

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there was actually five steps of tracks

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there was a set of 22

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23-inch tracks a set of 22-inch track

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a set of 19-inch tracks and then a set

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of 12 and

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i believe but we uh we followed them

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and we picked out the best two that we

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and that was the two but anyways right

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cleaning up uh after

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making the cast we kind of cleaned up

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get turned late evening starting to

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book cliffs and where was where was the

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location of your sighting ron

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there's a uh canyon it's called sea

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there's a coal miner out there called

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i think i have been in that area now

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that you mention it there

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it is there's a there's so much neat

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stuff there close by to you

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that is uh not too far away is nine mile

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canyon have you had any experiences up

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none i haven't had any i've been up

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that time that you me and daryl went up

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there and you showed us

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what uh might have been a uh

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a bigfoot hut oh that's right that's

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they're there i know they're in that

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have you um come across any one thing

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the last partner i had my cousin

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that saw one standing on the side of the

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uh highway right at the top of

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i guess it really shook her up pretty

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bad

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she pulled over inside the road after

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she passed it

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and said she had to calm down

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and uh told me my cousin we went up

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there we were looking around

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and right where she had the sighting

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where it was standing on the back

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side of the road there was a

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uh when you

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when you go along the top of price

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canyon there's

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uh some pretty tall

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ledges along the side of the road and

305
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there's one little spot

306
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where there's no ledges but the

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land just kind of uh

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it was down to the road and there's

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trees

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right there and that's where the

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sighting was

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and so we were up there looking around

313
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and i got hair

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samples off of a off the

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fence there right where she saw it

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and i i don't know uh

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do is university here and

318
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they just tell me they you know you just

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have to find somebody that can

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really cool that you found it's really

321
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cool that you found a hair sample though

322
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i think

323
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they're harder to come across you know

324
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and i think you're right

325
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those barbed wire fences are gold mines

326
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when it comes to looking for hair

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samples so that's so neat

328
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jump kind of jumping off topic a bit

329
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they're in price

330
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there is a long history of

331
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well ufos and even

332
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there is a history of

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plot project blue book coming through

334
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the area and canvassing

335
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from home to home do

336
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have as far as that's concerned i i've

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had some interesting

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information come across that the project

339
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blue book files were actually

340
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purchased by ancestry.com which i

341
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thought that was kind of interesting you

342
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know that they would

343
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that they would buy the project bluebook

344
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files but ron

345
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when you were a kid growing up in the

346
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area do you remember

347
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anywhere in price there project blue

348
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book coming through and asking questions

349
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about ufos

350
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pretty cool have you seen any ufos down

351
00:16:16,550 --> 00:16:13,440
there in the

352
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carbon area oh yeah

353
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a lot quite quite a few

354
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give us yeah tell us some of the better

355
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ones yeah

356
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all right me and my sister we were down

357
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in price

358
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and uh well

359
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who was this this was probably about

360
00:16:39,749 --> 00:16:39,040
nine months ago nine ten months ago oh

361
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cool

362
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and i got i've seen a uh

363
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thing in the sky uh an object that it

364
00:16:51,829 --> 00:16:49,839
wasn't an airplane or anything i took a

365
00:16:54,629 --> 00:16:51,839
picture of it

366
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and it uh kind of looks like a jelly

367
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bean

368
00:17:03,269 --> 00:17:00,240
oh wow okay uh you might have seen it

369
00:17:06,309 --> 00:17:03,279
i posted it i think

370
00:17:07,189 --> 00:17:06,319
i think i did it was really yes yes i'm

371
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looking

372
00:17:14,390 --> 00:17:10,640
now yes very interesting very cool

373
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yeah yeah and then another one i used to

374
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go up on top of the

375
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uh book clips here above east carbon on

376
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ruin point and uh one time i was up

377
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there

378
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this was a couple years ago

379
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and i was taking pictures of chemtrails

380
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and there was one big chemtrail running

381
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across the sky

382
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just almost above me

383
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and then i noticed something paralleling

384
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it

385
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and so i just instead of finding out

386
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what it was i just put my camera up

387
00:17:59,430 --> 00:17:56,799
there and just started taking pictures

388
00:18:00,789 --> 00:17:59,440
and i took like 36 pictures of this

389
00:18:04,070 --> 00:18:00,799
thing

390
00:18:08,470 --> 00:18:04,080
and it had kind of paralleled the

391
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chemtrail and it came down

392
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and then it made a about a

393
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uh i'd say about a 35 degree

394
00:18:25,029 --> 00:18:20,960
turn and almost went back

395
00:18:33,350 --> 00:18:28,710
and this thing it looked like

396
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four uh round balls

397
00:18:38,950 --> 00:18:36,720
hooked together and i got

398
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many pictures of it i'll have to send

399
00:18:44,630 --> 00:18:40,960
you a send them to you

400
00:18:48,150 --> 00:18:44,640
that sounds really really cool and

401
00:18:50,150 --> 00:18:48,160
well yeah go ahead oh but that one uh

402
00:18:51,590 --> 00:18:50,160
it was hit when it made the turn and

403
00:18:53,909 --> 00:18:51,600
went kind of

404
00:18:55,590 --> 00:18:53,919
back kind of sorted towards the way it

405
00:18:58,710 --> 00:18:55,600
was coming from

406
00:19:02,230 --> 00:18:58,720
it was headed right

407
00:19:05,350 --> 00:19:02,240
towards in the direction of the skin

408
00:19:09,990 --> 00:19:08,390
because when i when you're up on top up

409
00:19:13,750 --> 00:19:10,000
there before you drop down

410
00:19:17,270 --> 00:19:13,760
into uh the lower areas where

411
00:19:19,909 --> 00:19:17,280
uh nine mile is you're not that far from

412
00:19:21,750 --> 00:19:19,919
the skinwalker ranch you're real close

413
00:19:27,029 --> 00:19:21,760
you're within probably

414
00:19:33,750 --> 00:19:30,630
and it's interesting um

415
00:19:35,270 --> 00:19:33,760
you so the area in general

416
00:19:37,430 --> 00:19:35,280
it's really cool that you live in the

417
00:19:39,590 --> 00:19:37,440
area because we've we've had experiences

418
00:19:42,789 --> 00:19:39,600
and been able to talk about things

419
00:19:44,630 --> 00:19:42,799
and uh yeah through daryl

420
00:19:46,470 --> 00:19:44,640
who we've been mentioning who's no

421
00:19:49,830 --> 00:19:46,480
longer with us but who was a

422
00:19:52,070 --> 00:19:49,840
big time big time bigfoot hunter

423
00:19:53,750 --> 00:19:52,080
in the area and and uh he had this

424
00:19:56,950 --> 00:19:53,760
amazing map with

425
00:20:00,390 --> 00:19:56,960
little footprints of everywhere he had

426
00:20:03,909 --> 00:20:00,400
taken a report on a three by five card

427
00:20:04,470 --> 00:20:03,919
by an eyewitness and then he would put a

428
00:20:07,270 --> 00:20:04,480
little

429
00:20:09,270 --> 00:20:07,280
sasquatch foot on the a massive map of

430
00:20:11,430 --> 00:20:09,280
the state of utah the size of uh

431
00:20:12,630 --> 00:20:11,440
well gosh it was massive you remember

432
00:20:15,990 --> 00:20:12,640
that ron

433
00:20:17,590 --> 00:20:16,000
oh yeah i remember that uh in fact

434
00:20:20,710 --> 00:20:17,600
that's where i

435
00:20:22,390 --> 00:20:20,720
i made one oh how cool trying to put all

436
00:20:26,149 --> 00:20:22,400
of his sightings on there

437
00:20:28,950 --> 00:20:26,159
along with mine but um

438
00:20:29,510 --> 00:20:28,960
then when he got sick and uh died i

439
00:20:32,470 --> 00:20:29,520
never

440
00:20:33,190 --> 00:20:32,480
uh got to finish putting all of his on

441
00:20:35,909 --> 00:20:33,200
there i got

442
00:20:37,590 --> 00:20:35,919
probably half of them but that's pretty

443
00:20:41,029 --> 00:20:37,600
good

444
00:20:43,909 --> 00:20:41,039
map

445
00:20:45,190 --> 00:20:43,919
and it had you know it was neat because

446
00:20:48,310 --> 00:20:45,200
it kind of showed

447
00:20:49,750 --> 00:20:48,320
the areas and how often bigfoot is seen

448
00:20:53,510 --> 00:20:49,760
in utah

449
00:20:56,870 --> 00:20:53,520
and it's a lot of the time yeah

450
00:21:03,430 --> 00:21:00,549
one reason why i wanted to do that

451
00:21:03,830 --> 00:21:03,440
is a lot of the researchers that i've

452
00:21:07,029 --> 00:21:03,840
talked

453
00:21:09,430 --> 00:21:07,039
to not you but other ones

454
00:21:11,190 --> 00:21:09,440
they've always told me that don't quit

455
00:21:13,830 --> 00:21:11,200
wasting your time

456
00:21:15,190 --> 00:21:13,840
here in carbon emory counties he says

457
00:21:17,430 --> 00:21:15,200
there's

458
00:21:19,110 --> 00:21:17,440
no bigfoot sightings down there they're

459
00:21:23,270 --> 00:21:19,120
all up here

460
00:21:29,270 --> 00:21:26,310
uintah mountains i told them you know

461
00:21:31,510 --> 00:21:29,280
hogwash i said there's quite a few

462
00:21:33,669 --> 00:21:31,520
bigfoot sightings i hear reports from

463
00:21:35,430 --> 00:21:33,679
people all the time here at carbon and

464
00:21:38,310 --> 00:21:35,440
andrew counties

465
00:21:39,430 --> 00:21:38,320
and so i started collecting them just

466
00:21:42,710 --> 00:21:39,440
like daryl did

467
00:21:45,990 --> 00:21:42,720
then i'd interview the people uh

468
00:21:47,510 --> 00:21:46,000
try to get try to get a video of them

469
00:21:50,149 --> 00:21:47,520
but most of them don't want to be

470
00:21:53,270 --> 00:21:50,159
videotaped

471
00:21:57,190 --> 00:21:53,280
but uh there is i've got

472
00:22:01,029 --> 00:21:57,200
over 109 just in the

473
00:22:04,950 --> 00:22:01,039
castle valley area here and i

474
00:22:08,390 --> 00:22:04,960
only have a few of those you know on my

475
00:22:11,510 --> 00:22:08,400
website i gotta finish getting the rest

476
00:22:17,430 --> 00:22:14,789
109 is quite a few considering

477
00:22:18,149 --> 00:22:17,440
you know this area and i say this area

478
00:22:20,230 --> 00:22:18,159
because

479
00:22:22,230 --> 00:22:20,240
uh i you and i lived over the mountain

480
00:22:23,430 --> 00:22:22,240
from each other for many many years over

481
00:22:27,110 --> 00:22:23,440
a decade

482
00:22:29,029 --> 00:22:27,120
and um yeah everything in between us too

483
00:22:30,870 --> 00:22:29,039
seemed like you know between the you in

484
00:22:33,350 --> 00:22:30,880
a basin and between

485
00:22:33,909 --> 00:22:33,360
carbon and emory everything in between

486
00:22:37,830 --> 00:22:33,919
there

487
00:22:41,110 --> 00:22:37,840
is questionable mysterious badlands

488
00:22:44,070 --> 00:22:41,120
a lot of strange happenings take place

489
00:22:44,549 --> 00:22:44,080
and i wanted to kind of switch base a

490
00:22:46,950 --> 00:22:44,559
little bit

491
00:22:48,149 --> 00:22:46,960
and kind of go into some of your

492
00:22:52,710 --> 00:22:48,159
experiences

493
00:22:54,630 --> 00:22:52,720
very the coolest i think that i've heard

494
00:22:55,909 --> 00:22:54,640
experiences as a kid because i know a

495
00:22:59,029 --> 00:22:55,919
lot of people these days

496
00:23:00,390 --> 00:22:59,039
have well my lab is a lot more well

497
00:23:02,390 --> 00:23:00,400
known nowadays

498
00:23:03,750 --> 00:23:02,400
and it's not a big deal but you were

499
00:23:07,590 --> 00:23:03,760
talking about this before

500
00:23:08,230 --> 00:23:07,600
my lab was even popular and as a kid you

501
00:23:10,230 --> 00:23:08,240
had some

502
00:23:11,990 --> 00:23:10,240
some interesting experiences as a kid

503
00:23:15,110 --> 00:23:12,000
that may have had some government

504
00:23:18,390 --> 00:23:15,120
ties i i

505
00:23:20,470 --> 00:23:18,400
have um

506
00:23:22,630 --> 00:23:20,480
could you tell us like the story of how

507
00:23:24,950 --> 00:23:22,640
that how that went about like as a kid

508
00:23:29,190 --> 00:23:24,960
how was it what did it feel like was it

509
00:23:38,310 --> 00:23:34,830
it was uh pretty mind-blowing

510
00:23:44,630 --> 00:23:38,320
um one experience i had

511
00:23:51,590 --> 00:23:47,510
experience that i've experienced that

512
00:23:54,630 --> 00:23:51,600
i've had as a child

513
00:23:57,909 --> 00:23:54,640
oh not so much

514
00:24:01,029 --> 00:23:57,919
uh my lab

515
00:24:09,750 --> 00:24:05,269
that do with i believe was

516
00:24:13,110 --> 00:24:09,760
men in black mib sure

517
00:24:17,269 --> 00:24:13,120
and one of those experiences was

518
00:24:20,110 --> 00:24:17,279
i was in it was the fifth grade

519
00:24:22,070 --> 00:24:20,120
in elementary school and this is back in

520
00:24:25,190 --> 00:24:22,080
1960

521
00:24:27,990 --> 00:24:25,200
it was 61

522
00:24:30,830 --> 00:24:28,000
and this is in southern california where

523
00:24:30,840 --> 00:24:36,070
and i was on the

524
00:24:43,430 --> 00:24:39,909
playground with a friend of mine

525
00:24:46,390 --> 00:24:43,440
and i was showing him this

526
00:24:48,470 --> 00:24:46,400
what i have on my ear that i've had my

527
00:24:52,230 --> 00:24:48,480
whole entire life

528
00:24:54,549 --> 00:24:52,240
that uh is a implant under the skin

529
00:24:56,789 --> 00:24:54,559
it's like a little metal ball yeah i've

530
00:24:59,110 --> 00:24:56,799
seen it and can you kind of yeah

531
00:25:00,390 --> 00:24:59,120
it's very unnoticeable unless you know

532
00:25:04,549 --> 00:25:00,400
what to look for

533
00:25:07,669 --> 00:25:04,559
right and uh anyway after i

534
00:25:08,630 --> 00:25:07,679
showed him that there had been something

535
00:25:12,149 --> 00:25:08,640
that was in my

536
00:25:12,950 --> 00:25:12,159
ear that was it had been bugging me all

537
00:25:14,630 --> 00:25:12,960
day

538
00:25:16,230 --> 00:25:14,640
and i was trying to dig it out with my

539
00:25:19,830 --> 00:25:16,240
little finger

540
00:25:23,110 --> 00:25:19,840
and i finally got it out

541
00:25:25,029 --> 00:25:23,120
and it looked like a little tiny

542
00:25:27,669 --> 00:25:25,039
you know this spring that's in a

543
00:25:30,310 --> 00:25:27,679
ballpoint pen

544
00:25:31,990 --> 00:25:30,320
yeah yeah it looked like one of those

545
00:25:35,110 --> 00:25:32,000
except for it was only about two

546
00:25:36,630 --> 00:25:35,120
meters long no meters long and it looked

547
00:25:39,909 --> 00:25:36,640
like it was wrapped in

548
00:25:42,470 --> 00:25:39,919
brown paper whoa and i pulled that out

549
00:25:44,070 --> 00:25:42,480
of my ear and i went over and scared me

550
00:25:46,549 --> 00:25:44,080
you know as young as i was i was you

551
00:25:48,470 --> 00:25:46,559
know frightened the hell out of me

552
00:25:51,350 --> 00:25:48,480
so i took it over to the teacher on the

553
00:25:54,549 --> 00:25:51,360
playground i showed it to her

554
00:25:56,950 --> 00:25:54,559
and she slaps it out of my hand and says

555
00:25:58,070 --> 00:25:56,960
stop messing with your air you're gonna

556
00:26:01,830 --> 00:25:58,080
pull your eardrum

557
00:26:03,510 --> 00:26:01,840
out and go down and that scared me even

558
00:26:06,390 --> 00:26:03,520
more

559
00:26:07,990 --> 00:26:06,400
and so i was standing there the teacher

560
00:26:10,870 --> 00:26:08,000
walked off

561
00:26:13,029 --> 00:26:10,880
and there was a man walked up to me

562
00:26:15,830 --> 00:26:13,039
wearing a black suit

563
00:26:17,909 --> 00:26:15,840
at her narrow white or a narrow black

564
00:26:20,149 --> 00:26:17,919
tie

565
00:26:21,830 --> 00:26:20,159
and he came up to me called me by my

566
00:26:24,549 --> 00:26:21,840
name

567
00:26:28,230 --> 00:26:24,559
and told me that uh if i didn't stop

568
00:26:31,590 --> 00:26:28,240
messing with my ear i'd go deaf

569
00:26:34,070 --> 00:26:31,600
and then he turned around and he left

570
00:26:36,390 --> 00:26:34,080
and when he left the playground there's

571
00:26:37,350 --> 00:26:36,400
a ramp that goes from the playground we

572
00:26:40,630 --> 00:26:37,360
were at

573
00:26:42,470 --> 00:26:40,640
down to the street down below

574
00:26:44,549 --> 00:26:42,480
the school was sitting on the side of a

575
00:26:46,390 --> 00:26:44,559
hill

576
00:26:49,350 --> 00:26:46,400
and i watched a muck all the way down

577
00:26:51,830 --> 00:26:49,360
the ramp to the street down below

578
00:26:53,990 --> 00:26:51,840
stopped turned around looked at me then

579
00:26:58,549 --> 00:26:54,000
he walked up

580
00:27:01,190 --> 00:26:58,559
and uh i believe it was a

581
00:27:02,149 --> 00:27:01,200
you know he didn't wear a hat but he

582
00:27:05,669 --> 00:27:02,159
looked

583
00:27:08,310 --> 00:27:05,679
like the typical mib like a

584
00:27:10,470 --> 00:27:08,320
like a man in black that's what it

585
00:27:14,669 --> 00:27:10,480
sounds like

586
00:27:18,230 --> 00:27:14,679
but i did have a my lab experience in uh

587
00:27:21,029 --> 00:27:18,240
2009 wow can we hear about that

588
00:27:22,870 --> 00:27:21,039
yeah i'd love to hear about that yeah

589
00:27:25,750 --> 00:27:22,880
with the

590
00:27:26,870 --> 00:27:25,760
ld the entity that i've been having

591
00:27:31,269 --> 00:27:26,880
encounters with

592
00:27:37,990 --> 00:27:31,279
between 2008 and 2010

593
00:27:41,990 --> 00:27:38,000
and back in 2006

594
00:27:45,110 --> 00:27:42,000
i was in a industrial accident

595
00:27:48,310 --> 00:27:45,120
a pretty bad one it uh messed my

596
00:27:51,830 --> 00:27:48,320
left leg up and uh it

597
00:27:55,590 --> 00:27:51,840
uh gave me i had uh spinal

598
00:27:58,230 --> 00:27:55,600
damage spinal cord damage from it

599
00:27:59,909 --> 00:27:58,240
and i had to have back immediate back

600
00:28:04,470 --> 00:27:59,919
surgery

601
00:28:07,590 --> 00:28:04,480
so they put me in the hospital up north

602
00:28:11,110 --> 00:28:07,600
and i went through an operation and got

603
00:28:16,470 --> 00:28:11,120
the use of my left leg back

604
00:28:19,510 --> 00:28:16,480
but the pain in my back was so severe

605
00:28:21,909 --> 00:28:19,520
i couldn't even bend over and for

606
00:28:22,549 --> 00:28:21,919
years i couldn't bend over i couldn't

607
00:28:25,669 --> 00:28:22,559
pin

608
00:28:27,750 --> 00:28:25,679
put my pants on i couldn't put

609
00:28:29,430 --> 00:28:27,760
my socks or my shoes on i had to have

610
00:28:33,110 --> 00:28:29,440
help

611
00:28:36,310 --> 00:28:33,120
and i was really getting

612
00:28:40,630 --> 00:28:36,320
depressed from this so i started

613
00:28:44,310 --> 00:28:40,640
meditating i was asking god for help

614
00:28:47,750 --> 00:28:44,320
i was asking anybody

615
00:28:50,630 --> 00:28:47,760
think for help and

616
00:28:51,830 --> 00:28:50,640
in 2008 i started having these

617
00:28:54,950 --> 00:28:51,840
encounters with

618
00:28:57,909 --> 00:28:54,960
uh elvie

619
00:28:58,789 --> 00:28:57,919
after i started meditating and i think

620
00:29:01,909 --> 00:28:58,799
it was about

621
00:29:06,870 --> 00:29:01,919
nine months or so later after i

622
00:29:10,710 --> 00:29:06,880
started i thought to myself that well

623
00:29:13,350 --> 00:29:10,720
nobody's gonna help me so i just

624
00:29:14,789 --> 00:29:13,360
stopped meditating i'd say god's not

625
00:29:16,710 --> 00:29:14,799
going to help me nobody's going to help

626
00:29:19,909 --> 00:29:16,720
me i'm just going to have to

627
00:29:21,909 --> 00:29:19,919
put up with this list my life and it

628
00:29:23,029 --> 00:29:21,919
went on and on and on and i was having

629
00:29:26,549 --> 00:29:23,039
these encounters

630
00:29:31,190 --> 00:29:26,559
with uh it'll be

631
00:29:35,350 --> 00:29:31,200
and then in 2009

632
00:29:36,549 --> 00:29:35,360
uh i had one abduction encounter with

633
00:29:40,470 --> 00:29:36,559
him

634
00:29:42,070 --> 00:29:40,480
and i ended up on a stainless steel

635
00:29:45,029 --> 00:29:42,080
table

636
00:29:45,990 --> 00:29:45,039
that was in a uh looked like it was in a

637
00:29:49,830 --> 00:29:46,000
laboratory

638
00:29:53,110 --> 00:29:49,840
and it there was the

639
00:29:56,710 --> 00:29:53,120
people in there along with the aliens

640
00:29:57,190 --> 00:29:56,720
the entities and they were all wearing

641
00:30:01,430 --> 00:29:57,200
white

642
00:30:05,669 --> 00:30:01,440
lab boats and

643
00:30:09,510 --> 00:30:05,679
so i was laying on this table face down

644
00:30:12,070 --> 00:30:09,520
and this one man comes over

645
00:30:14,149 --> 00:30:12,080
and he tells me he says there's some

646
00:30:16,310 --> 00:30:14,159
entities that wanna

647
00:30:17,269 --> 00:30:16,320
they wanna check you over they want to

648
00:30:20,549 --> 00:30:17,279
examine you

649
00:30:23,750 --> 00:30:20,559
they want to look at your brain

650
00:30:27,190 --> 00:30:23,760
and they want to look at your back

651
00:30:30,310 --> 00:30:27,200
or you had your back surgery

652
00:30:32,070 --> 00:30:30,320
and i was just you know petrified

653
00:30:33,990 --> 00:30:32,080
in this i didn't know what the heck was

654
00:30:38,070 --> 00:30:34,000
happening

655
00:30:41,269 --> 00:30:38,080
and so this entity comes over

656
00:30:44,870 --> 00:30:41,279
uh the one that i have been

657
00:30:48,230 --> 00:30:44,880
seeing since 2008

658
00:30:49,510 --> 00:30:48,240
and at that time i did not know what his

659
00:30:51,669 --> 00:30:49,520
name was

660
00:30:55,430 --> 00:30:51,679
he didn't reveal his name but he did

661
00:31:00,149 --> 00:30:58,870
and so he comes over and he tells me he

662
00:31:03,350 --> 00:31:00,159
says i want to

663
00:31:06,950 --> 00:31:03,360
examine your brain

664
00:31:08,789 --> 00:31:06,960
i want to examine your back

665
00:31:10,389 --> 00:31:08,799
your spine where you had your back

666
00:31:13,750 --> 00:31:10,399
spirit

667
00:31:18,789 --> 00:31:13,760
so he gets up on the table

668
00:31:21,990 --> 00:31:18,799
and it's like he's

669
00:31:25,430 --> 00:31:22,000
going inside my spine

670
00:31:28,470 --> 00:31:25,440
and man i tell you ryan you talk about

671
00:31:31,830 --> 00:31:28,480
hurt i mean the pain was so

672
00:31:33,350 --> 00:31:31,840
severe i was actually praying to god

673
00:31:36,630 --> 00:31:33,360
take my life

674
00:31:39,029 --> 00:31:36,640
it hurt that bad and

675
00:31:41,430 --> 00:31:39,039
this one run for a while and it felt

676
00:31:43,909 --> 00:31:41,440
like he was right inside where my spinal

677
00:31:48,070 --> 00:31:43,919
cord was

678
00:31:51,269 --> 00:31:48,080
and so he gets done with that

679
00:31:54,710 --> 00:31:51,279
and then he uh he

680
00:31:57,269 --> 00:31:54,720
grabs my head and jerks it back

681
00:31:59,269 --> 00:31:57,279
and he sticks his three long bony

682
00:32:01,269 --> 00:31:59,279
fingers in my mouth

683
00:32:02,789 --> 00:32:01,279
and presses him up against my upper

684
00:32:05,350 --> 00:32:02,799
palate

685
00:32:07,590 --> 00:32:05,360
pulls him out of my mouth and up my face

686
00:32:10,149 --> 00:32:07,600
and across top of my head

687
00:32:11,909 --> 00:32:10,159
does this three times i have no idea

688
00:32:15,029 --> 00:32:11,919
what it's for

689
00:32:18,789 --> 00:32:15,039
or what he was you know doing it for

690
00:32:22,310 --> 00:32:18,799
and so he gets down often

691
00:32:23,990 --> 00:32:22,320
comes around grabs my left ear

692
00:32:27,029 --> 00:32:24,000
and it feels like he's going to rip it

693
00:32:30,789 --> 00:32:27,039
right outside of my head

694
00:32:34,230 --> 00:32:30,799
and it tells me that uh

695
00:32:36,470 --> 00:32:34,240
this is where your implant is and it

696
00:32:39,669 --> 00:32:36,480
takes his finger

697
00:32:41,669 --> 00:32:39,679
and he rubs it across that little ball

698
00:32:43,669 --> 00:32:41,679
that i was telling you about behind my

699
00:32:46,310 --> 00:32:43,679
ear

700
00:32:49,590 --> 00:32:46,320
and he said this was yours he says you

701
00:32:53,190 --> 00:32:49,600
were thinking about having it removed

702
00:32:56,789 --> 00:32:53,200
says don't do it whatever

703
00:32:58,149 --> 00:32:56,799
whatever reason don't you ever have that

704
00:33:00,950 --> 00:32:58,159
removed

705
00:33:02,870 --> 00:33:00,960
and it just sounded sinister the way he

706
00:33:06,149 --> 00:33:02,880
said that

707
00:33:09,990 --> 00:33:06,159
and i at the time i was going to have

708
00:33:12,870 --> 00:33:10,000
dr roger lear was going to remove it

709
00:33:14,389 --> 00:33:12,880
and so i called him back up and told him

710
00:33:18,950 --> 00:33:14,399
that i

711
00:33:25,669 --> 00:33:22,230
and that was uh you know a mill lab

712
00:33:28,789 --> 00:33:25,679
type setting with both

713
00:33:31,909 --> 00:33:28,799
entities and humans

714
00:33:33,269 --> 00:33:31,919
and uh that's pretty much the only mill

715
00:33:37,190 --> 00:33:33,279
lab

716
00:33:41,190 --> 00:33:39,590
it's so cool though and it hits home on

717
00:33:42,710 --> 00:33:41,200
so many levels like you said the

718
00:33:45,430 --> 00:33:42,720
entities the mylab

719
00:33:46,070 --> 00:33:45,440
the again it hits you know back with the

720
00:33:48,230 --> 00:33:46,080
uh

721
00:33:49,750 --> 00:33:48,240
implant and i've heard that from a lot

722
00:33:51,190 --> 00:33:49,760
of individuals that hits home with me

723
00:33:54,310 --> 00:33:51,200
too just because i've

724
00:33:57,830 --> 00:33:54,320
heard it so often and and in my own

725
00:34:00,789 --> 00:33:57,840
historic research and experiences

726
00:34:01,590 --> 00:34:00,799
sometimes it may be best to leave

727
00:34:04,630 --> 00:34:01,600
everything

728
00:34:05,990 --> 00:34:04,640
on you know the way it is and not not

729
00:34:08,310 --> 00:34:06,000
not have it removed as

730
00:34:09,909 --> 00:34:08,320
as roger lear was doing but it really

731
00:34:11,669 --> 00:34:09,919
depends on the situation and the

732
00:34:15,990 --> 00:34:11,679
individual you know some people

733
00:34:20,069 --> 00:34:16,000
are very bothered by by these implants

734
00:34:23,109 --> 00:34:20,079
yeah this one it never bothers me

735
00:34:26,470 --> 00:34:23,119
but what's weird is it'll it's like

736
00:34:28,869 --> 00:34:26,480
it moves to a different location

737
00:34:30,950 --> 00:34:28,879
and then it'll move back to where it

738
00:34:36,310 --> 00:34:30,960
originally was

739
00:34:43,669 --> 00:34:39,430
how i met roger layer was

740
00:34:46,790 --> 00:34:43,679
you know patty greer yeah yeah

741
00:34:48,310 --> 00:34:46,800
yeah she introduced me to uh i did an

742
00:34:51,270 --> 00:34:48,320
interview with patty

743
00:34:52,869 --> 00:34:51,280
at the iufoc conference and she

744
00:34:56,149 --> 00:34:52,879
introduced me

745
00:34:59,510 --> 00:34:56,159
to roger or roger

746
00:35:02,950 --> 00:34:59,520
lear dr lear and

747
00:35:06,150 --> 00:35:02,960
uh when i met him there was another

748
00:35:09,589 --> 00:35:06,160
woman that was there

749
00:35:13,430 --> 00:35:09,599
talking to roger lear

750
00:35:16,950 --> 00:35:13,440
and she had the same exact

751
00:35:21,430 --> 00:35:16,960
thing on her ears i had on mine

752
00:35:26,630 --> 00:35:24,790
yeah yeah that's very cool

753
00:35:28,790 --> 00:35:26,640
i mean what are the odds of that that

754
00:35:31,190 --> 00:35:28,800
that can't be a coincidence you know

755
00:35:32,230 --> 00:35:31,200
that that there's a possibility that uh

756
00:35:35,190 --> 00:35:32,240
and and i've heard

757
00:35:36,230 --> 00:35:35,200
that the ears if i'm not mistaken the

758
00:35:39,510 --> 00:35:36,240
nose

759
00:35:40,790 --> 00:35:39,520
the toes yeah there's areas that are

760
00:35:43,829 --> 00:35:40,800
specifically

761
00:35:47,510 --> 00:35:43,839
targeted for these

762
00:35:51,990 --> 00:35:47,520
yeah if this is the only one i know

763
00:35:53,030 --> 00:35:52,000
of and i asked my mom how long i've had

764
00:35:54,950 --> 00:35:53,040
it

765
00:35:59,030 --> 00:35:54,960
because i i really don't know how long i

766
00:36:02,230 --> 00:35:59,040
got it but my mom told me that

767
00:36:03,589 --> 00:36:02,240
it's been not it was there on me ever

768
00:36:05,910 --> 00:36:03,599
since i was born

769
00:36:07,270 --> 00:36:05,920
ever since i was you know first born it

770
00:36:10,390 --> 00:36:07,280
was there

771
00:36:13,510 --> 00:36:12,230
yeah a lot of these things seem to be

772
00:36:15,990 --> 00:36:13,520
genetic or at least

773
00:36:16,750 --> 00:36:16,000
the predisposition you know like that

774
00:36:19,430 --> 00:36:16,760
whole

775
00:36:23,349 --> 00:36:19,440
1970s project blue book all those

776
00:36:26,390 --> 00:36:23,359
reports being purchased by ancestry.com

777
00:36:28,470 --> 00:36:26,400
you only i mean i only guess

778
00:36:29,990 --> 00:36:28,480
that they're doing it to see if there is

779
00:36:33,270 --> 00:36:30,000
a genetic component

780
00:36:35,349 --> 00:36:33,280
and it is interesting because yeah

781
00:36:37,190 --> 00:36:35,359
typically people that see ufos have

782
00:36:39,430 --> 00:36:37,200
parents that see ufos

783
00:36:40,870 --> 00:36:39,440
and see high strangeness and then they

784
00:36:44,230 --> 00:36:40,880
have kids that

785
00:36:48,790 --> 00:36:44,240
witness and engage in the same phenomena

786
00:36:50,890 --> 00:36:48,800
yeah my uh i know my mom has

787
00:36:53,030 --> 00:36:50,900
and my dad has definitely

788
00:36:56,310 --> 00:36:53,040
[Music]

789
00:36:56,790 --> 00:36:56,320
my dad used to have uh visitors that

790
00:37:00,630 --> 00:36:56,800
would

791
00:37:03,910 --> 00:37:00,640
come in through the uh ceiling

792
00:37:06,790 --> 00:37:03,920
on a uh my dad called it a

793
00:37:10,069 --> 00:37:06,800
line but i i think he was trying to

794
00:37:12,710 --> 00:37:10,079
describe a beam of light

795
00:37:14,550 --> 00:37:12,720
and it would uh these little grays would

796
00:37:18,230 --> 00:37:14,560
come down the way he would describe

797
00:37:19,670 --> 00:37:18,240
them i i'm sure they were graves

798
00:37:21,270 --> 00:37:19,680
right they would come down and they

799
00:37:24,470 --> 00:37:21,280
would show them things and then they

800
00:37:27,670 --> 00:37:24,480
would leave and go back up

801
00:37:30,710 --> 00:37:27,680
and uh it was just

802
00:37:31,510 --> 00:37:30,720
weird this was about he started telling

803
00:37:33,430 --> 00:37:31,520
me about this

804
00:37:37,270 --> 00:37:33,440
about the time i started having these

805
00:37:40,870 --> 00:37:37,280
encounters with kelby

806
00:37:44,630 --> 00:37:40,880
but uh were there any

807
00:37:46,470 --> 00:37:44,640
oh sorry go ahead oh it's it seems to be

808
00:37:50,390 --> 00:37:46,480
a family thing

809
00:37:53,990 --> 00:37:50,400
it's not just one person yeah but it's

810
00:37:56,150 --> 00:37:54,000
usually the whole entire family

811
00:37:58,230 --> 00:37:56,160
yeah i wanted to ask you did you were

812
00:38:01,430 --> 00:37:58,240
your mom's encounters more visual

813
00:38:04,950 --> 00:38:01,440
just sightings uh

814
00:38:08,230 --> 00:38:04,960
yeah uh basically with my mom

815
00:38:11,430 --> 00:38:08,240
i never really did bother her about

816
00:38:16,069 --> 00:38:11,440
you know what she was seeing or anything

817
00:38:19,030 --> 00:38:16,079
until uh the last year before she died

818
00:38:19,750 --> 00:38:19,040
then i started asking her questions

819
00:38:24,710 --> 00:38:19,760
about

820
00:38:27,750 --> 00:38:24,720
uh what she had been seeing

821
00:38:31,270 --> 00:38:27,760
and she says i

822
00:38:34,950 --> 00:38:31,280
i know of your encounters

823
00:38:37,510 --> 00:38:34,960
and she would tell me that

824
00:38:39,670 --> 00:38:37,520
she would become paralyzed in bed

825
00:38:42,710 --> 00:38:39,680
wouldn't be able to move

826
00:38:45,589 --> 00:38:42,720
and she said the little people

827
00:38:47,670 --> 00:38:45,599
would come for you and they would take

828
00:38:51,589 --> 00:38:47,680
you out

829
00:38:52,230 --> 00:38:51,599
with them and i don't remember anything

830
00:38:55,030 --> 00:38:52,240
like that

831
00:38:55,750 --> 00:38:55,040
but my mom was telling me this and she

832
00:39:01,430 --> 00:38:55,760
get

833
00:39:05,030 --> 00:39:01,440
so upset over this um

834
00:39:07,750 --> 00:39:05,040
she'd just go to pieces and she

835
00:39:08,230 --> 00:39:07,760
was so afraid that they were gonna take

836
00:39:15,829 --> 00:39:08,240
me

837
00:39:20,230 --> 00:39:15,839
she said if i could get up out of bed

838
00:39:26,630 --> 00:39:23,430
yeah there's a lot of uh-huh

839
00:39:29,829 --> 00:39:26,640
she would see him uh they would come

840
00:39:33,349 --> 00:39:29,839
like in the middle of the night and then

841
00:39:37,109 --> 00:39:33,359
take me out the front door

842
00:39:39,030 --> 00:39:37,119
wow and it really shocked me because you

843
00:39:43,109 --> 00:39:39,040
know i was surprised she never told me

844
00:39:45,510 --> 00:39:43,119
this before

845
00:39:46,150 --> 00:39:45,520
i had to ask her if you know she was

846
00:39:51,510 --> 00:39:46,160
keeping

847
00:39:55,190 --> 00:39:53,430
and that part i understand you know

848
00:39:57,589 --> 00:39:55,200
trying to protect your

849
00:39:59,190 --> 00:39:57,599
your your i would get being a parent

850
00:40:02,550 --> 00:39:59,200
myself i would say you know

851
00:40:04,710 --> 00:40:02,560
kind of hope oh i hope my kid is uh

852
00:40:05,990 --> 00:40:04,720
you know does not have these experiences

853
00:40:08,550 --> 00:40:06,000
because some of them

854
00:40:10,390 --> 00:40:08,560
are a little bit traumatic and i think

855
00:40:12,390 --> 00:40:10,400
it's so amazing your story about the

856
00:40:13,589 --> 00:40:12,400
healing process though that was so neat

857
00:40:16,390 --> 00:40:13,599
about your back

858
00:40:20,150 --> 00:40:16,400
but there are there's a lot of trauma

859
00:40:23,270 --> 00:40:20,160
involved with a lot of these experiences

860
00:40:26,150 --> 00:40:23,280
well there is uh but i tell you

861
00:40:27,670 --> 00:40:26,160
you know they hurt me when they were

862
00:40:30,790 --> 00:40:27,680
working on my back

863
00:40:32,870 --> 00:40:30,800
i mean they hurt me bad it was almost to

864
00:40:36,470 --> 00:40:32,880
the point where i couldn't stand it

865
00:40:37,430 --> 00:40:36,480
but i'll tell you one thing uh that next

866
00:40:40,390 --> 00:40:37,440
day

867
00:40:41,270 --> 00:40:40,400
you know that next morning after i'd

868
00:40:45,430 --> 00:40:41,280
been returned

869
00:40:48,470 --> 00:40:45,440
back home uh

870
00:40:50,710 --> 00:40:48,480
it was like a 90 percent improvement i

871
00:40:52,550 --> 00:40:50,720
could bend over i could put my shoes on

872
00:40:56,150 --> 00:40:52,560
the back didn't hurt that much

873
00:40:59,750 --> 00:40:56,160
just a little bit and to this day

874
00:41:02,390 --> 00:40:59,760
i haven't had any problems with it

875
00:41:04,309 --> 00:41:02,400
it was a it was a healing that's what it

876
00:41:06,550 --> 00:41:04,319
was

877
00:41:08,710 --> 00:41:06,560
such a neat story it's nice when there's

878
00:41:10,069 --> 00:41:08,720
a story with a little with with a with a

879
00:41:13,829 --> 00:41:10,079
silver lining

880
00:41:14,390 --> 00:41:13,839
and well ron you also i wanted to ask

881
00:41:16,390 --> 00:41:14,400
you about

882
00:41:17,430 --> 00:41:16,400
some of my the things that intrigue me

883
00:41:20,870 --> 00:41:17,440
the most

884
00:41:24,309 --> 00:41:20,880
which of course are the ufo aspects

885
00:41:25,430 --> 00:41:24,319
and the you know we've kind of gone over

886
00:41:28,550 --> 00:41:25,440
sightings and

887
00:41:32,470 --> 00:41:28,560
things of that nature have you ever

888
00:41:34,550 --> 00:41:32,480
well the craft have you seen any craft

889
00:41:36,550 --> 00:41:34,560
up close and personal

890
00:41:38,069 --> 00:41:36,560
and i know in the basin you and i have

891
00:41:40,150 --> 00:41:38,079
spoken about what we've seen in the

892
00:41:42,550 --> 00:41:40,160
skies it's pretty amazing

893
00:41:44,390 --> 00:41:42,560
um could you give us any info on kind of

894
00:41:48,470 --> 00:41:44,400
like uh ufo uap

895
00:41:52,230 --> 00:41:48,480
studies and your experiences with that

896
00:41:53,430 --> 00:41:52,240
oh you bet when i started having these

897
00:41:57,190 --> 00:41:53,440
encounters with

898
00:42:00,470 --> 00:41:57,200
elbi they would always

899
00:42:03,109 --> 00:42:00,480
start out the same way i'd go to bed

900
00:42:03,990 --> 00:42:03,119
there would be a beam of light that

901
00:42:05,910 --> 00:42:04,000
would

902
00:42:07,430 --> 00:42:05,920
extend from the ceiling down to the

903
00:42:10,470 --> 00:42:07,440
floor

904
00:42:13,510 --> 00:42:10,480
uh i think it was plasma

905
00:42:17,190 --> 00:42:13,520
is where it was but

906
00:42:19,910 --> 00:42:17,200
i'm not exactly sure

907
00:42:21,030 --> 00:42:19,920
if you ever in a dark room open up a

908
00:42:23,190 --> 00:42:21,040
door a little bit

909
00:42:24,870 --> 00:42:23,200
and you know and there's a light on in

910
00:42:25,670 --> 00:42:24,880
another room and you get that kind of

911
00:42:29,349 --> 00:42:25,680
like

912
00:42:32,870 --> 00:42:29,359
strip of light by the door

913
00:42:35,589 --> 00:42:32,880
that's what it reminded me of

914
00:42:37,990 --> 00:42:35,599
but uh anyways i would see this and then

915
00:42:41,349 --> 00:42:38,000
everything would turn a fuzzy white

916
00:42:42,230 --> 00:42:41,359
and then i'd boom i was out and then i

917
00:42:48,710 --> 00:42:42,240
would come

918
00:42:52,069 --> 00:42:48,720
to in a room wide symbols

919
00:42:54,820 --> 00:42:52,079
sitting on a chair on an armless chair

920
00:42:56,309 --> 00:42:54,830
in this little room and

921
00:42:59,349 --> 00:42:56,319
[Music]

922
00:43:00,870 --> 00:42:59,359
this went on and on for quite a few

923
00:43:05,870 --> 00:43:00,880
times

924
00:43:05,880 --> 00:43:10,829
2009 i think it was

925
00:43:17,670 --> 00:43:14,470
uh the uh

926
00:43:18,790 --> 00:43:17,680
experience started the same way the beam

927
00:43:21,190 --> 00:43:18,800
of light i went

928
00:43:23,270 --> 00:43:21,200
went to bed everything turned to fuzzy

929
00:43:26,470 --> 00:43:23,280
white except this time i came

930
00:43:29,990 --> 00:43:26,480
to on a ship

931
00:43:33,670 --> 00:43:30,000
of some sort of a craft and

932
00:43:37,030 --> 00:43:33,680
me and this entity was standing

933
00:43:40,390 --> 00:43:37,040
up it was kind of like a tear-drop shape

934
00:43:40,950 --> 00:43:40,400
crap kind of came down to somewhat of a

935
00:43:44,390 --> 00:43:40,960
point

936
00:43:45,990 --> 00:43:44,400
in the front and i'm standing up in

937
00:43:49,750 --> 00:43:46,000
front

938
00:43:54,470 --> 00:43:49,760
with elvie and again

939
00:43:57,349 --> 00:43:54,480
at this time i didn't know elbi's name

940
00:43:59,109 --> 00:43:57,359
uh she didn't tell me his name until a

941
00:44:01,750 --> 00:43:59,119
little later

942
00:44:02,950 --> 00:44:01,760
but i'm standing with this entity up in

943
00:44:06,230 --> 00:44:02,960
front of this

944
00:44:07,030 --> 00:44:06,240
crap and you can see right through the

945
00:44:10,390 --> 00:44:07,040
wall

946
00:44:13,589 --> 00:44:10,400
right out in the space and

947
00:44:16,550 --> 00:44:13,599
uh that was needed he says i'm gonna

948
00:44:18,790 --> 00:44:16,560
take you on a trip and he said don't be

949
00:44:21,990 --> 00:44:18,800
don't be frightened don't be scared

950
00:44:24,790 --> 00:44:22,000
nothing's gonna happen to you

951
00:44:27,030 --> 00:44:24,800
we start accelerating and i can feel

952
00:44:30,870 --> 00:44:27,040
g-force

953
00:44:33,190 --> 00:44:30,880
and then all of a sudden everything

954
00:44:36,150 --> 00:44:33,200
i just blacked out and then i come to in

955
00:44:40,150 --> 00:44:36,160
that room watching

956
00:44:43,349 --> 00:44:40,160
symbol and after that

957
00:44:46,710 --> 00:44:43,359
okay right after the healing

958
00:44:49,990 --> 00:44:46,720
and that i had in at the end of

959
00:44:53,270 --> 00:44:50,000
2009 yeah

960
00:44:56,150 --> 00:44:53,280
i had another encounter with hilby

961
00:44:58,550 --> 00:44:56,160
and uh this time i knew who he was

962
00:45:00,550 --> 00:44:58,560
because the one before this he had told

963
00:45:02,870 --> 00:45:00,560
me his name

964
00:45:04,950 --> 00:45:02,880
but uh everything started out the same

965
00:45:07,910 --> 00:45:04,960
had the

966
00:45:08,309 --> 00:45:07,920
beam of light everything turned to fuzzy

967
00:45:12,870 --> 00:45:08,319
white

968
00:45:15,990 --> 00:45:12,880
i passed out and when i came to

969
00:45:19,030 --> 00:45:16,000
i was in this cubicle

970
00:45:22,230 --> 00:45:19,040
inside this bigger

971
00:45:23,430 --> 00:45:22,240
room at the time i didn't know it was a

972
00:45:26,550 --> 00:45:23,440
ship

973
00:45:30,390 --> 00:45:26,560
but i was up against the ceiling

974
00:45:32,710 --> 00:45:30,400
in a clear rectangular cubicle

975
00:45:34,230 --> 00:45:32,720
and there were other cubicles all around

976
00:45:38,870 --> 00:45:34,240
me and each one

977
00:45:41,910 --> 00:45:38,880
had a human in it and a person in it

978
00:45:44,950 --> 00:45:41,920
and so i'm looking down below

979
00:45:46,470 --> 00:45:44,960
and these entities are walking all

980
00:45:50,390 --> 00:45:46,480
around

981
00:45:52,710 --> 00:45:50,400
and then pretty soon uh the cubicle

982
00:45:53,750 --> 00:45:52,720
and it just slowly starts to descend

983
00:45:57,750 --> 00:45:53,760
down to the

984
00:45:59,750 --> 00:45:57,760
ground level and all the entities leave

985
00:46:02,069 --> 00:45:59,760
except for one

986
00:46:03,829 --> 00:46:02,079
and he comes over the front of this

987
00:46:06,870 --> 00:46:03,839
cubicle opens up

988
00:46:09,990 --> 00:46:06,880
and i step out and

989
00:46:13,349 --> 00:46:10,000
tell me and he's telling me

990
00:46:16,470 --> 00:46:13,359
well he takes me over to the uh

991
00:46:19,670 --> 00:46:16,480
the wall and it

992
00:46:23,670 --> 00:46:21,990
opens up and you could see through it

993
00:46:28,550 --> 00:46:23,680
out into space

994
00:46:31,270 --> 00:46:28,560
it was really neat that is so cool

995
00:46:33,109 --> 00:46:31,280
so he was telling me he said you have to

996
00:46:35,510 --> 00:46:33,119
be in this cubicle

997
00:46:36,790 --> 00:46:35,520
so because you wouldn't be able to

998
00:46:39,510 --> 00:46:36,800
survive

999
00:46:40,710 --> 00:46:39,520
you would die if you know he wasn't in

1000
00:46:43,589 --> 00:46:40,720
there

1001
00:46:45,030 --> 00:46:43,599
and so he took me back and he said i'll

1002
00:46:47,750 --> 00:46:45,040
get you a little later

1003
00:46:48,550 --> 00:46:47,760
and he put me back in this cubicle and i

1004
00:46:52,069 --> 00:46:48,560
rose

1005
00:46:54,309 --> 00:46:52,079
up failing and that's probably there a

1006
00:46:57,829 --> 00:46:54,319
minute or so

1007
00:47:01,109 --> 00:46:57,839
and then i started to descend back

1008
00:47:03,349 --> 00:47:01,119
down and he was there to beat me when i

1009
00:47:06,069 --> 00:47:03,359
got when the front of the cubicle opened

1010
00:47:08,710 --> 00:47:06,079
up and i stepped out

1011
00:47:10,950 --> 00:47:08,720
and then he tells me it's time for you

1012
00:47:14,069 --> 00:47:10,960
to know

1013
00:47:17,190 --> 00:47:14,079
what's happening to you

1014
00:47:21,990 --> 00:47:17,200
and he says you've been programmed

1015
00:47:25,589 --> 00:47:22,000
from birth to fly this ship

1016
00:47:29,349 --> 00:47:25,599
and your

1017
00:47:33,109 --> 00:47:29,359
what you're he says your job

1018
00:47:36,950 --> 00:47:33,119
will be to transport certain

1019
00:47:38,710 --> 00:47:36,960
chosen humans to another dimensional

1020
00:47:40,390 --> 00:47:38,720
earth

1021
00:47:42,069 --> 00:47:40,400
now i don't know if i'm supposed to take

1022
00:47:45,109 --> 00:47:42,079
that literally or

1023
00:47:50,390 --> 00:47:48,230
but and he says

1024
00:47:52,470 --> 00:47:50,400
uh i want you to come over here and

1025
00:47:56,790 --> 00:47:52,480
there was a console

1026
00:48:04,309 --> 00:48:00,630
this big plastic seat

1027
00:48:05,349 --> 00:48:04,319
everything on this crap looked like it

1028
00:48:07,270 --> 00:48:05,359
was one piece

1029
00:48:09,589 --> 00:48:07,280
there it looked like everything was

1030
00:48:12,870 --> 00:48:09,599
injected molded

1031
00:48:15,270 --> 00:48:12,880
uh there were no seams no rivet and on

1032
00:48:21,670 --> 00:48:15,280
the armrest

1033
00:48:23,430 --> 00:48:21,680
there was haze in the end

1034
00:48:24,710 --> 00:48:23,440
did you say on the end of the armrest

1035
00:48:31,109 --> 00:48:24,720
there was holes

1036
00:48:34,549 --> 00:48:31,119
looked like your fingers could go into

1037
00:48:38,309 --> 00:48:34,559
and then there was like a

1038
00:48:42,549 --> 00:48:40,950
patient that you could put your elbow

1039
00:48:45,349 --> 00:48:42,559
and your arm in

1040
00:48:47,190 --> 00:48:45,359
along with these holes and he says i

1041
00:48:49,030 --> 00:48:47,200
want you to place your hands

1042
00:48:50,870 --> 00:48:49,040
your fingers and your arms in these

1043
00:48:54,630 --> 00:48:50,880
indentations

1044
00:48:56,870 --> 00:48:54,640
and as soon as i did that

1045
00:48:59,270 --> 00:48:56,880
the whole front of this fit it was like

1046
00:49:00,309 --> 00:48:59,280
it disappeared and i could see out into

1047
00:49:03,829 --> 00:49:00,319
space

1048
00:49:07,589 --> 00:49:03,839
and this console it

1049
00:49:10,150 --> 00:49:07,599
kind of looked like a it was

1050
00:49:12,950 --> 00:49:10,160
it didn't look mechanical it looked uh

1051
00:49:20,150 --> 00:49:16,950
likely it

1052
00:49:21,430 --> 00:49:20,160
it was really strange like a hologram

1053
00:49:24,470 --> 00:49:21,440
was it like a hologram

1054
00:49:28,549 --> 00:49:24,480
or yeah like a hologram

1055
00:49:32,630 --> 00:49:28,559
that that's a good way to describe it

1056
00:49:35,829 --> 00:49:32,640
and i said what do you want me to do

1057
00:49:40,470 --> 00:49:35,839
and he said he tells me

1058
00:49:43,030 --> 00:49:40,480
that it's all inside you he says

1059
00:49:43,750 --> 00:49:43,040
you'll know what to do all you have to

1060
00:49:47,270 --> 00:49:43,760
do is

1061
00:49:51,670 --> 00:49:47,280
think about it and the ship will respond

1062
00:49:54,790 --> 00:49:51,680
to what you're thinking and

1063
00:49:57,510 --> 00:49:54,800
i'm thinking wow this is

1064
00:50:00,630 --> 00:49:57,520
pretty wild and he asked me he says

1065
00:50:03,030 --> 00:50:00,640
where would you like to go

1066
00:50:03,829 --> 00:50:03,040
and i tell him that well i'd like to go

1067
00:50:06,790 --> 00:50:03,839
out into

1068
00:50:09,349 --> 00:50:06,800
deep space and see the milky way galaxy

1069
00:50:12,230 --> 00:50:09,359
from the distance

1070
00:50:12,950 --> 00:50:12,240
and he says i want you to think about

1071
00:50:15,030 --> 00:50:12,960
that

1072
00:50:16,950 --> 00:50:15,040
the ship will respond but don't think

1073
00:50:19,589 --> 00:50:16,960
about it right now

1074
00:50:21,589 --> 00:50:19,599
and he says i need to warn you that when

1075
00:50:25,589 --> 00:50:21,599
we

1076
00:50:28,870 --> 00:50:25,599
take off you're going to feel

1077
00:50:33,589 --> 00:50:28,880
real bad g-force and

1078
00:50:36,549 --> 00:50:33,599
as soon as we start dimension hopping

1079
00:50:39,510 --> 00:50:36,559
or transversing the dimensions then you

1080
00:50:42,950 --> 00:50:39,520
won't have that feeling anymore

1081
00:50:45,910 --> 00:50:42,960
and he says this is how we travel by

1082
00:50:47,829 --> 00:50:45,920
transversing the different dimensions he

1083
00:50:51,829 --> 00:50:47,839
says we can't do it

1084
00:50:55,589 --> 00:50:54,470
the distances are too vast we have to

1085
00:50:57,990 --> 00:50:55,599
take

1086
00:50:59,589 --> 00:50:58,000
and go from dimension to dimension to

1087
00:51:04,309 --> 00:50:59,599
dimension

1088
00:51:13,030 --> 00:51:09,430
and so i i think about uh

1089
00:51:17,190 --> 00:51:14,790
out in deep space i want to see the

1090
00:51:18,230 --> 00:51:17,200
milky way and as soon as i think about

1091
00:51:21,270 --> 00:51:18,240
that we start

1092
00:51:25,430 --> 00:51:21,280
exploring and i can feel the g-force

1093
00:51:29,270 --> 00:51:25,440
and it's getting bad the g-force

1094
00:51:32,390 --> 00:51:29,280
and uh we're going along and it's just

1095
00:51:34,230 --> 00:51:32,400
to the point everything starts to turn

1096
00:51:35,270 --> 00:51:34,240
the fuzzy white on me and i'm just right

1097
00:51:38,549 --> 00:51:35,280
on the verge of pass

1098
00:51:41,670 --> 00:51:38,559
now can't stand it

1099
00:51:44,630 --> 00:51:41,680
and then all of a sudden we

1100
00:51:46,150 --> 00:51:44,640
it the feeling went away and out the

1101
00:51:48,710 --> 00:51:46,160
front of the ship there's different

1102
00:51:51,829 --> 00:51:48,720
scenarios going on out there

1103
00:51:52,470 --> 00:51:51,839
and it's like taking a picture book a

1104
00:51:54,870 --> 00:51:52,480
big

1105
00:51:55,829 --> 00:51:54,880
quick one and just flipping through the

1106
00:51:59,510 --> 00:51:55,839
pages

1107
00:52:02,470 --> 00:51:59,520
real fast you know how you do like

1108
00:52:03,670 --> 00:52:02,480
how they used to do motion pictures back

1109
00:52:05,910 --> 00:52:03,680
in the old days

1110
00:52:07,750 --> 00:52:05,920
yeah yeah like from scene to scene

1111
00:52:11,829 --> 00:52:07,760
screen to screen

1112
00:52:16,470 --> 00:52:11,839
yeah it was like that and uh

1113
00:52:18,230 --> 00:52:16,480
it just and it only seemed like it took

1114
00:52:21,190 --> 00:52:18,240
like a half a second

1115
00:52:22,870 --> 00:52:21,200
or so and then we came to a stop and

1116
00:52:26,069 --> 00:52:22,880
we're out in deep space and i'd see the

1117
00:52:29,270 --> 00:52:26,079
milky way galaxy off into this thing

1118
00:52:30,470 --> 00:52:29,280
looked awesome and then we're sitting

1119
00:52:32,790 --> 00:52:30,480
there

1120
00:52:34,710 --> 00:52:32,800
and then after i don't know about 30

1121
00:52:35,190 --> 00:52:34,720
seconds he tells me he says we need to

1122
00:52:40,150 --> 00:52:35,200
get

1123
00:52:43,910 --> 00:52:40,160
be out here

1124
00:52:47,829 --> 00:52:43,920
and so i think let's go back

1125
00:52:50,950 --> 00:52:47,839
above earth where we left from

1126
00:52:52,150 --> 00:52:50,960
and back to the same location and then

1127
00:52:55,190 --> 00:52:52,160
all of a sudden the

1128
00:52:58,549 --> 00:52:55,200
ship takes off and then there's that

1129
00:53:01,990 --> 00:52:58,559
transversing of the

1130
00:53:02,630 --> 00:53:02,000
dimensions again and and all this stuff

1131
00:53:05,910 --> 00:53:02,640
happens

1132
00:53:09,829 --> 00:53:05,920
in like just a split

1133
00:53:12,710 --> 00:53:09,839
second it was that quick

1134
00:53:14,309 --> 00:53:12,720
and so we got back there and then he

1135
00:53:17,510 --> 00:53:14,319
said uh you

1136
00:53:20,549 --> 00:53:17,520
you've seen too much you've had too much

1137
00:53:23,750 --> 00:53:20,559
uh to think of right now and you said

1138
00:53:27,430 --> 00:53:23,760
uh time for you to go back and

1139
00:53:31,270 --> 00:53:27,440
uh we'll continue this later

1140
00:53:33,510 --> 00:53:31,280
but the ship was awesome it was almost

1141
00:53:36,549 --> 00:53:33,520
like a

1142
00:53:39,270 --> 00:53:36,559
black porcelain

1143
00:53:41,829 --> 00:53:39,280
everything was there was no sharp

1144
00:53:45,430 --> 00:53:41,839
corners everything was

1145
00:53:49,589 --> 00:53:45,440
rounded there was no points on anything

1146
00:53:53,990 --> 00:53:49,599
everything was radianced up

1147
00:53:56,950 --> 00:53:54,000
and like i say there was no uh

1148
00:53:58,150 --> 00:53:56,960
no nuts and bolts uh nothing like that

1149
00:54:01,430 --> 00:53:58,160
there wasn't even any

1150
00:54:04,549 --> 00:54:01,440
light uh you know like

1151
00:54:11,270 --> 00:54:08,150
yeah yeah the lighting

1152
00:54:15,270 --> 00:54:11,280
was it was ambient it was just

1153
00:54:18,230 --> 00:54:15,280
there you know amazing ron my gosh well

1154
00:54:18,710 --> 00:54:18,240
and it's not like you know so many

1155
00:54:21,030 --> 00:54:18,720
people

1156
00:54:22,790 --> 00:54:21,040
obviously have a hard time wrapping

1157
00:54:24,790 --> 00:54:22,800
their heads around things

1158
00:54:27,510 --> 00:54:24,800
but i love the quote for those that

1159
00:54:30,549 --> 00:54:27,520
don't believe that this stuff exists

1160
00:54:34,069 --> 00:54:30,559
the quote from ben rich the former

1161
00:54:35,270 --> 00:54:34,079
ceo of lockheed martin's skunk works

1162
00:54:39,109 --> 00:54:35,280
division

1163
00:54:41,589 --> 00:54:39,119
and his quote was we have already

1164
00:54:43,510 --> 00:54:41,599
the means to travel among the stars but

1165
00:54:43,910 --> 00:54:43,520
these technologies are locked up in

1166
00:54:46,710 --> 00:54:43,920
black

1167
00:54:47,829 --> 00:54:46,720
projects and it would take an act of god

1168
00:54:49,990 --> 00:54:47,839
to ever get them

1169
00:54:52,549 --> 00:54:50,000
to benefit humanity anything you can

1170
00:54:54,069 --> 00:54:52,559
imagine we already know how to do

1171
00:54:56,470 --> 00:54:54,079
so it just goes to show that he's

1172
00:54:58,069 --> 00:54:56,480
admitting that i mean if we can think it

1173
00:55:00,150 --> 00:54:58,079
up kind of what you're saying i mean

1174
00:55:01,030 --> 00:55:00,160
almost exactly what you're saying when

1175
00:55:03,190 --> 00:55:01,040
in the ship

1176
00:55:06,309 --> 00:55:03,200
if you you know you think it up and then

1177
00:55:08,950 --> 00:55:06,319
you go there it's amazing yeah it's all

1178
00:55:12,950 --> 00:55:08,960
done telepathically

1179
00:55:13,670 --> 00:55:12,960
uh esp and you know grant cameron's been

1180
00:55:16,309 --> 00:55:13,680
uh

1181
00:55:18,069 --> 00:55:16,319
talking about a lot a lot of gifts that

1182
00:55:21,270 --> 00:55:18,079
you know in the last couple years

1183
00:55:25,430 --> 00:55:21,280
love grant yeah yeah like you too

1184
00:55:27,670 --> 00:55:25,440
he's been real good with me

1185
00:55:30,309 --> 00:55:27,680
i'm surprised he has anything to do with

1186
00:55:33,510 --> 00:55:31,910
he's a great guy oh i don't know he

1187
00:55:34,230 --> 00:55:33,520
thinks the world of you when i've talked

1188
00:55:36,870 --> 00:55:34,240
to him

1189
00:55:37,349 --> 00:55:36,880
and it's you know an interesting thing

1190
00:55:40,390 --> 00:55:37,359
ron

1191
00:55:43,589 --> 00:55:40,400
is that a lot of the

1192
00:55:44,950 --> 00:55:43,599
you know the messages that you were

1193
00:55:48,150 --> 00:55:44,960
receiving

1194
00:55:51,349 --> 00:55:48,160
for example that you were kind of

1195
00:55:54,549 --> 00:55:51,359
you know the pilot uh of this

1196
00:55:56,630 --> 00:55:54,559
craft that's amazing too yeah

1197
00:56:00,230 --> 00:55:56,640
that's that's what grant calls me the

1198
00:56:04,230 --> 00:56:03,270
it's very cool yeah it's awesome to

1199
00:56:06,950 --> 00:56:04,240
never

1200
00:56:07,430 --> 00:56:06,960
have experiences that's one experience

1201
00:56:11,349 --> 00:56:07,440
that

1202
00:56:12,309 --> 00:56:11,359
you know i hope hope you get to have

1203
00:56:16,069 --> 00:56:12,319
because i tell you

1204
00:56:18,150 --> 00:56:16,079
it is awesome now i wanted to jump back

1205
00:56:19,430 --> 00:56:18,160
to some experiences that you and i and

1206
00:56:23,430 --> 00:56:19,440
daryl had in the

1207
00:56:25,430 --> 00:56:23,440
uinta basin because at the time and this

1208
00:56:26,950 --> 00:56:25,440
was years ago but at the time we were at

1209
00:56:28,630 --> 00:56:26,960
the old strawberry riverbed and

1210
00:56:31,109 --> 00:56:28,640
breakfast i believe

1211
00:56:32,549 --> 00:56:31,119
and we saw we saw something similar to

1212
00:56:36,870 --> 00:56:32,559
an mib

1213
00:56:38,630 --> 00:56:36,880
kind of pull over next to us and uh

1214
00:56:40,549 --> 00:56:38,640
well it at the time i don't i didn't

1215
00:56:43,270 --> 00:56:40,559
think that technology existed

1216
00:56:43,589 --> 00:56:43,280
these quote-unquote non-lethal weapons

1217
00:56:51,430 --> 00:56:43,599
or

1218
00:56:54,150 --> 00:56:51,440
so many different kinds of

1219
00:56:55,910 --> 00:56:54,160
pulse wave electromagnetic frequency

1220
00:56:59,030 --> 00:56:55,920
weapons

1221
00:57:01,990 --> 00:56:59,040
but we saw something like that and

1222
00:57:04,230 --> 00:57:02,000
uh daryl kind of got sick shortly

1223
00:57:07,349 --> 00:57:04,240
thereafter i was going to ask you

1224
00:57:09,349 --> 00:57:07,359
have you seen anybody or have you

1225
00:57:10,630 --> 00:57:09,359
heard of anyone recently getting sick

1226
00:57:12,710 --> 00:57:10,640
from sightings

1227
00:57:16,789 --> 00:57:12,720
weird strange paranormal behavior things

1228
00:57:21,829 --> 00:57:20,789
uh daryl's the only one that comes to

1229
00:57:25,589 --> 00:57:21,839
mind

1230
00:57:28,870 --> 00:57:25,599
right you know that time we were out

1231
00:57:32,069 --> 00:57:28,880
at your bed and breakfast and the

1232
00:57:33,990 --> 00:57:32,079
uh the encounter with the

1233
00:57:37,990 --> 00:57:34,000
vehicles and the people over in the

1234
00:57:42,309 --> 00:57:40,230
across the field from where your house

1235
00:57:48,470 --> 00:57:42,319
or your heavy breakfast was

1236
00:57:56,710 --> 00:57:52,870
yeah right after that

1237
00:57:59,829 --> 00:57:56,720
we went to uh peak

1238
00:58:06,150 --> 00:58:02,870
a week or two after that and

1239
00:58:07,109 --> 00:58:06,160
uh we got up there and then daryl was

1240
00:58:09,570 --> 00:58:07,119
having

1241
00:58:12,390 --> 00:58:09,580
problems walking and

1242
00:58:14,630 --> 00:58:12,400
[Music]

1243
00:58:15,910 --> 00:58:14,640
we figured it was he he thought it was

1244
00:58:19,030 --> 00:58:15,920
just his hips

1245
00:58:22,230 --> 00:58:19,040
bothering him so he went to the

1246
00:58:26,150 --> 00:58:22,240
uh the doctor and they told him

1247
00:58:29,349 --> 00:58:26,160
that he had was contacting als

1248
00:58:31,910 --> 00:58:29,359
that just totally blew me away

1249
00:58:32,710 --> 00:58:31,920
and i mean it was just that quick you

1250
00:58:34,950 --> 00:58:32,720
know

1251
00:58:36,549 --> 00:58:34,960
it was sudden it was fast it came on

1252
00:58:38,870 --> 00:58:36,559
fast and of course daryl

1253
00:58:41,750 --> 00:58:38,880
handled it like a gentleman but it did

1254
00:58:45,109 --> 00:58:41,760
just come and decimate him

1255
00:58:46,549 --> 00:58:45,119
god i i would go up and try to visit him

1256
00:58:49,990 --> 00:58:46,559
whenever i could

1257
00:58:53,270 --> 00:58:50,000
and it was hard in seeing him

1258
00:58:57,990 --> 00:58:53,280
laying in bed like that and not being

1259
00:59:01,990 --> 00:58:58,000
not being able to move it just

1260
00:59:05,030 --> 00:59:02,000
it was gut-wrenching it really was

1261
00:59:06,390 --> 00:59:05,040
yeah als is not a fun and

1262
00:59:08,789 --> 00:59:06,400
you know other people know it as lou

1263
00:59:09,910 --> 00:59:08,799
gehrig's but it it it just comes out of

1264
00:59:14,150 --> 00:59:09,920
nowhere

1265
00:59:17,990 --> 00:59:14,160
and and it just it just tears you up

1266
00:59:20,309 --> 00:59:18,000
yeah and i got a

1267
00:59:21,670 --> 00:59:20,319
just before he died i think it was like

1268
00:59:25,270 --> 00:59:21,680
about a week

1269
00:59:27,270 --> 00:59:25,280
because maybe a week and a half

1270
00:59:29,510 --> 00:59:27,280
he wanted me to come up he wanted to do

1271
00:59:32,789 --> 00:59:29,520
a an interview we wanted to talk

1272
00:59:34,789 --> 00:59:32,799
on the utah bigfoot and so i went up

1273
00:59:37,910 --> 00:59:34,799
there and i recorded them

1274
00:59:40,950 --> 00:59:37,920
and i made these discs of this it

1275
00:59:43,349 --> 00:59:40,960
lasted about an hour and a half and i've

1276
00:59:43,670 --> 00:59:43,359
got one for you and i got i give it to

1277
00:59:46,789 --> 00:59:43,680
you

1278
00:59:49,910 --> 00:59:46,799
and i got one for dave oh how cool

1279
00:59:51,670 --> 00:59:49,920
thanks ron i would that's so cool of you

1280
00:59:53,030 --> 00:59:51,680
that's like the best christmas present

1281
00:59:55,510 --> 00:59:53,040
ever he says

1282
00:59:57,670 --> 00:59:55,520
promise me he says make sure you give

1283
01:00:01,190 --> 00:59:57,680
everybody in our

1284
01:00:03,589 --> 01:00:01,200
little group a copy of this and i said i

1285
01:00:08,549 --> 01:00:06,470
man that is so cool well i can't thank

1286
01:00:10,069 --> 01:00:08,559
you enough for coming on today ron and

1287
01:00:11,510 --> 01:00:10,079
speaking with me i know it's the day

1288
01:00:13,190 --> 01:00:11,520
after thanksgiving

1289
01:00:14,630 --> 01:00:13,200
you recently had a birthday this week

1290
01:00:18,150 --> 01:00:14,640
happy birthday

1291
01:00:21,030 --> 01:00:18,160
and you know it's it's it's one of those

1292
01:00:21,670 --> 01:00:21,040
it's it's a it's holiday time and and i

1293
01:00:31,430 --> 01:00:21,680
i

1294
01:00:32,870 --> 01:00:31,440
problem

1295
01:00:34,950 --> 01:00:32,880
i'll definitely reach out to you when i

1296
01:00:36,470 --> 01:00:34,960
come up to utah again and we'll have to

1297
01:00:39,589 --> 01:00:36,480
touch base

1298
01:00:42,950 --> 01:00:39,599
yeah oh aren't you where are you at

1299
01:00:45,750 --> 01:00:42,960
i'm right now i am in las vegas

1300
01:00:46,230 --> 01:00:45,760
um i i still come up to utah about every

1301
01:00:49,109 --> 01:00:46,240
month

1302
01:00:50,870 --> 01:00:49,119
so but all it's just so cold my gosh and

1303
01:00:52,470 --> 01:00:50,880
with this covid stuff

1304
01:00:54,069 --> 01:00:52,480
it's been wild what are your thoughts on

1305
01:00:55,109 --> 01:00:54,079
this interesting monolith i guess the

1306
01:00:57,589 --> 01:00:55,119
very last thing

1307
01:00:59,430 --> 01:00:57,599
this is weird i'm going down tuesday to

1308
01:01:00,150 --> 01:00:59,440
look at it take pictures of it i want to

1309
01:01:03,109 --> 01:01:00,160
measure it

1310
01:01:03,430 --> 01:01:03,119
and do all kinds of different things

1311
01:01:06,870 --> 01:01:03,440
with

1312
01:01:10,710 --> 01:01:06,880
it paranormally i love it uh i'm gonna

1313
01:01:14,150 --> 01:01:10,720
do some uh evps there

1314
01:01:16,870 --> 01:01:14,160
providing that it's not crowded with

1315
01:01:17,589 --> 01:01:16,880
people but that's why i want to go down

1316
01:01:19,510 --> 01:01:17,599
tuesday

1317
01:01:21,109 --> 01:01:19,520
because i think most everybody will be

1318
01:01:23,030 --> 01:01:21,119
at work

1319
01:01:24,309 --> 01:01:23,040
that's a great idea that is a really

1320
01:01:25,750 --> 01:01:24,319
good idea

1321
01:01:28,630 --> 01:01:25,760
well i can't wait to talk to you again

1322
01:01:29,270 --> 01:01:28,640
ron um blessings thanks for coming on

1323
01:01:32,390 --> 01:01:29,280
and i i

1324
01:01:35,190 --> 01:01:32,400
i appreciate you thank you okay

1325
01:01:36,549 --> 01:01:35,200
what appreciate you having me okay we'll

1326
01:01:40,390 --> 01:01:36,559
talk soon my friend

1327
01:01:42,950 --> 01:01:40,400
take care okay all right bye bye bye

1328
01:01:43,670 --> 01:01:42,960
ron is one of the nicest guys i've ever

1329
01:01:46,150 --> 01:01:43,680
met

1330
01:01:48,390 --> 01:01:46,160
and true to his word everything that he

1331
01:01:48,789 --> 01:01:48,400
investigates he gets down and dirty

1332
01:01:51,589 --> 01:01:48,799
about

1333
01:01:53,750 --> 01:01:51,599
he spends the evening in some of the

1334
01:01:55,349 --> 01:01:53,760
coldest peaks in utah i know because

1335
01:01:58,789 --> 01:01:55,359
i've been there with them

1336
01:02:00,069 --> 01:01:58,799
and uh yeah hill hill four-wheel way out

1337
01:02:04,069 --> 01:02:00,079
in the middle of nowhere

1338
01:02:06,789 --> 01:02:04,079
and uh up up the craziest hills

1339
01:02:07,349 --> 01:02:06,799
elevation doesn't matter so he has

1340
01:02:10,390 --> 01:02:07,359
researched

1341
01:02:10,950 --> 01:02:10,400
some of the most wild places in the

1342
01:02:12,549 --> 01:02:10,960
state

1343
01:02:14,549 --> 01:02:12,559
and has some of the most wild

1344
01:02:18,230 --> 01:02:14,559
experiences and is just such

1345
01:02:20,390 --> 01:02:18,240
a treasure trove of information i was

1346
01:02:22,470 --> 01:02:20,400
really happy that he came on the podcast

1347
01:02:24,950 --> 01:02:22,480
he had a birthday earlier this week

1348
01:02:26,630 --> 01:02:24,960
obviously thanksgiving yesterday we've

1349
01:02:29,750 --> 01:02:26,640
all been busy with family

1350
01:02:30,230 --> 01:02:29,760
and uh but his his stuff is so important

1351
01:02:33,190 --> 01:02:30,240
and so

1352
01:02:34,470 --> 01:02:33,200
unique it's it's really interesting

1353
01:02:38,309 --> 01:02:34,480
information that i believe

1354
01:02:41,270 --> 01:02:38,319
everyone needs to hear ron johnson

1355
01:02:43,829 --> 01:02:41,280
is in price utah and you can follow him

1356
01:02:46,950 --> 01:02:43,839
on social media you can find him

1357
01:02:48,150 --> 01:02:46,960
and his photography of both wildlife and

1358
01:02:50,630 --> 01:02:48,160
landscapes

1359
01:02:53,190 --> 01:02:50,640
as well as updates on some of the

1360
01:02:55,430 --> 01:02:53,200
stranger things in the state

1361
01:02:57,670 --> 01:02:55,440
i know he's on facebook i believe he's

1362
01:02:59,349 --> 01:02:57,680
on other social media and he is involved

1363
01:03:00,470 --> 01:02:59,359
with some of the paranormal groups in

1364
01:03:02,789 --> 01:03:00,480
the area

1365
01:03:04,470 --> 01:03:02,799
keep an eye out for what ron has going

1366
01:03:05,589 --> 01:03:04,480
on it sounds like he's going down and

1367
01:03:08,470 --> 01:03:05,599
checking out the

1368
01:03:09,270 --> 01:03:08,480
lift the quote-unquote monolith that was

1369
01:03:12,630 --> 01:03:09,280
found

1370
01:03:16,309 --> 01:03:12,640
uh such a neat such a neat find and

1371
01:03:17,190 --> 01:03:16,319
although it is most surely made by human

1372
01:03:20,069 --> 01:03:17,200
hands

1373
01:03:21,910 --> 01:03:20,079
there is an interesting dynamic in that

1374
01:03:24,470 --> 01:03:21,920
it so closely

1375
01:03:25,589 --> 01:03:24,480
mimics and represents possibly the same

1376
01:03:28,630 --> 01:03:25,599
things as

1377
01:03:29,990 --> 01:03:28,640
2001 a space odyssey so i don't know i'm

1378
01:03:33,589 --> 01:03:30,000
sure it's a short list of

1379
01:03:36,230 --> 01:03:33,599
movie buffs who are able to

1380
01:03:37,109 --> 01:03:36,240
make something so amazingly appealing i

1381
01:03:40,549 --> 01:03:37,119
mean it looks

1382
01:03:43,109 --> 01:03:40,559
gorgeous i would love to see it and uh

1383
01:03:45,029 --> 01:03:43,119
yeah really neat stuff could end up

1384
01:03:47,349 --> 01:03:45,039
being a state

1385
01:03:48,230 --> 01:03:47,359
attraction who knows anyway until next

1386
01:03:49,990 --> 01:03:48,240
time

1387
01:03:51,589 --> 01:03:50,000
keep your eyes to the skies feet on the

1388
01:04:01,130 --> 01:03:51,599
ground but don't forget

1389
01:04:13,589 --> 01:04:10,950
[Music]

1390
01:04:15,750 --> 01:04:13,599
my time machine third eye feeling like a

1391
01:04:19,910 --> 01:04:15,760
knee vision blast off

1392
01:04:22,789 --> 01:04:19,920
blast off blast off glassed off